This is Richard and Mary (Paak) Remine and their daughter Therese (1895-1980).
Mary or Maaike Paak was born in Lexmond, Netherlands on 29 July 1859. She is my 3rd great-aunt. Her sister Alice was my great-great-grandmother.
Richard Remine was the son of Gerrit Remine (Remijnse) who was born in Kapelle, Netherlands. Gerrit was my 4th great-uncle. Richard or Dick was born in Kalamazoo on 10 May 1857.
How can that be? Does it make your head burst? OK, follow this.
Mary is the sister of my 2xgreat Alice.
Gerrit is the brother of Johanna Remine DeKorn. Johanna is my 3x great-grandmother, the mother of Richard DeKorn, grandmother of Cora DeKorn Zuidweg, great-grandmother of Adrian Zuidweg, and great-great-grandmother of my mother Janet.
So Mary was connected to Alice who married Richard DeKorn who was connected to Richard Remine!
I am related to both Mary and Richard, so I am related twice to their daughter Therese, as well as their two other children, Genevieve Tazelaar and Harold Remine.
Do you have double cousins like this in your family?
The Family Kalamazoo 
Ah, yes—I sure do, many times over! It is a brain teaser, isn’t it? But how could Richard be the son of both Gerrit and his sister Johanna? Am I reading it wrong, or was there some incest here also?
Thank you for bringing this up, Amy. It’s too early here to fix this properly. I’ve screwed up twice now. Gerrit was Johanna’s brother. So the common ancestor between Richard and me is Dirk Remijnse, Gerrit and Johanna’s father.
I have revised the post, thanks to you.
I never know whether to point out these things or not—I thought it might be a mistake, but then I wasn’t sure. I probably should have just emailed you!
It’s fine. It confused everyone!
Well, at least you know we were all reading it carefully!
It was actually planned as a test, and you passed!
LOL! I do love a good test! 🙂
Haha, me too!
Nerds do grow up to be the nicest people!
You got that right!
Like Amy, I’m confused about who Richard’s parents were.
Now I am confused. Gotta go check!
I’m beyond confused. OK, finally worked it out all over again. If only I hadn’t misworded it to begin with. Gerrit was Johanna’s brother. That means that the common ancestor between Richard and me is Dirk Remijnse, Gerrit and Johanna’s father.
Head exploding! There’s gotta be an app for this! :o)
Haha, I sure need an app for this. So hard to keep track of!
Complicated! And yes, double cousins came from my great-grandparents and two of their sibs. Two Ewing brothers married two Jones sisters. So the doubleness was clear. Cousins were genetically more like sibs in this scenario.
I wonder about the amount of Cm for comparison between the two cases. Hmmm. Interesting!
Does Ancestry note this double relationship, on its web site?
Hi Joel, what you mean by note it?
In reply: Ancestry tells me Mary De Korn is my “2nd great-grandmother”, does Ancestry show both relationships, when you are a “double cousin”?
OK, I went and checked. They call Therese my 1st cousin, 3x removed, and her mom Mary is my 3rd great aunt. Richard is only listed as the husband of my 3rd great aunt, although his grandfather is my 4th great-grandfather! So the question would be, what would they call my relationship to him if he wasn’t married to Mary? I need software like Cathy (above) mentions that will figure out these relationships for me!
Did you see we’re a DNA match :)?
Yes, I saw that we were a DNA match.
My family tree software calculates the relationship between two persons and gives me the cousinship for each common ancestor along with the lines of each person being compared to their ancestor. This has saved me so much time trying to figure out cousins, especially when you get into the removed ones.
Which software is it, Cathy?
I use Ancestral Quest 15 by Incline Software.
I will check into it!
You should be able to do this with other genealogy software.
The only one I’ve ever bought was the one that sprang from Ancestry years ago. They didn’t work well enough together for me.
I do! My great grandfather’s brother married my great grandmother’s sister. And then a grandchild of each pair married each other!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What?! My goodness, that’s a new one!
Oh, Louann! You had me laughing out loud. If our ancestors only knew how much they make our heads spin at times 🙂
They sure got me going here!
My eyes are crossed but I love it! I especially and always do love the photo’s to go along with the posts. From the shoes to the pearls and the smiles on their faces; I noticed the stencil on the house too. Very Netherlandish. Do you know anything about the house and if it’s still standing?
Chuckling. You crack me up. I had not noticed that about the house, and yet my great-great-grandparents had the same sort of trim on their house! Wow! Very cool. I would have to do more research to find out if that house is still there. This is all an ongoing process, as you know ;).
Have fun with the process 🙂 The process has taken me so far down a rabbit hole right now, I am literally lost looking for my way back 🙂
What happened to those breadcrumbs we threw down for you ;)?! Oops, wrong story!
Despite the fact that I’ve done my family trees, I was never able to work out relationships like this. There are some cousin marriages, certainly, but what times what or that sort of thing has always been beyond me! (Try doing it on a diagram.)
It gets so complicated. And that doesn’t even touch how complicated DNA is. I don’t even really want to learn too much about that as my brain can only hold just so much.
I know the feeling. 🙂
Yes, I have found trees with “crossed branches.” I discovered a 10 great grandmother, and I have discovered two family trees to this grandmother…trying to sort out all the angles boggles the mind…lol
I can’t imagine going back that far!
Well, I was lucky since the Catholic Churches kept such great records.
Yes, definitely have double first cousins very close to me – Morrises and Robinsons in Walker and Grimes County, Texas!
P.S. I have a 2nd cousin in Texas who I haven’t seen since we were young children – she found me through our Ancestry DNA this week. Amazing.
This whole double cousin business is astonishing to me. That is so cool to find a relative you have lost track of on Ancestry! yay for DNA!
I do have a maternal cousin who married a paternal cousin, so I think I am related to their son twice…. ?? 😀
Haha, and I don’t think Ancestry will show both connections!