In scanning the beautiful antique album this fall, I came across this tintype that kind of haunts me. Maybe it’s because the tintypes are so rare in the family collection. Maybe it’s because of her eyes.
Just ignore the strange corners. I tried to clean it up a bit at the corners (just for this post), and it didn’t turn out as I expected!
So how do I go about narrowing in on who might be in the image?
Because all the photos so far in the antique album seem to be related to the 5 Paak siblings and their familys, I feel that it is likely that she is related to the Paaks somehow.
I have such a desire to find a photo of Janna Kakebeeke Remine, the mother of Dick, grandmother of Therese, Genevieve, and Harold, who immigrated to Kalamazoo and passed away in 1910. She was the mother-in-law of Mary, one of the Paak sisters. But Janna was born in 1827. I was thinking 1880s for this dress, and this woman is not 60. In fact, as usual, I have no idea how old she is, what year her dress was, or what year her hairstyle was. It can’t be Dick’s mother-in-law Jacoba Bassa Paak either. She died in 1865 in the Netherlands!
What I have to get used to is the fact that the photographs I own are never of those earlier individuals, so they are images of more “recent” generations. I posted this one on a Facebook group for dating photographs. Very consistently, readers thought the tintype is around 1880. They based this on two main aspects: the fact that it is a tintype and not a photograph and the woman’s outfit. Tintypes were most frequent a bit earlier than the ’80s, but they can be found in the 1880s and even later.
I thought that the silhouette of her dress and the finishings looked like the 1880s. One thing I can file away in my brain for later is the dress appears to black, a mourning dress, so someone close to the woman had died within perhaps the previous year. Of course, that is very subjective–I mean, it seems as if they would have always been in mourning dress! I’m not very happy with books or websites about women’s clothing styles. They tend to focus on the clothing of the wealthy, the fashionista, and those in evening wear. My relatives were not fashionistas, they were not wealthy (although often not poor either), and sometimes they were governed by a religious conservatism. They didn’t get their photographs taken in evening wear, if they even had any.
For further consideration, I’ll use the date of 1880, knowing it could be 10 years difference either way.
The only way I can now find the woman in the tintype is by comparing her with photographs of known Paak women and women who have married into the family AND using the data on my family tree for birth and death dates.
Do you think this woman is about 25? or younger or older? Let’s say she’s 25, for the sake of trying to figure out who she is. If so, she was born around 1855. That would make her a contemporary of Alice Paak DeKorn (born 1852) and her siblings.
Anna Catherina (Annie) was born 1855
So. There are four* Paak sisters, and I don’t see this woman as one of them, although she could be a contemporary–or a bit older.
* There actually were five Paak sisters, but Willempje, who was born in 1856, did not immigrate with the girls, their father, and their brother. Although I have not been able to find a death or marriage record, I suspect she died as a child. The brother, George, married Lucy Kliphouse, who is not the woman in the tintype.
Lucy Kliphouse Paake
Alice had two SILs–Jennie DeKorn Culver and Mary DeKorn DeSmit.
Is she one of them? (I don’t think so).
Mary Paak Remine had two SILs that I know of.
Adrianna (Jennie) Remine Meijer was born in 1860
Jennie was the sister-in-law of Mary Paak Remine. Another sister-in-law of Mary was Johanna Remine Bosman, born in 1855.
None of these look right to me. And these last two are sisters, but don’t look like it.
Carrie Paak Waruf’s husband Henry (Hank) does not appear to have had any sisters. He immigrated as a child with his parents from the Netherlands to Kalamazoo, and I don’t see a record of any siblings in the census records I have been able to find.
That leaves Annie, the least known of any of the sisters. Annie was married to Jacob Salomon Verhulst (whose grandmother, by the way, was a Flipse–see Flipse posts, if you’re curious). The only photo I have that I know is Annie is the full-length photo I posted above. I never heard anybody talk about her, except when Grandpa identified the photograph.
I don’t know if Annie and Jacob had any children. I have found no record of any children. They married in 1890.
Jacob did have two sisters, that I can find. One was Cornelia who died as a child in Holland. The other was Pieternella, was born 1843 in Kortgene and died 18 days later.
So there you have it. Those are the Paak women and their sisters-in-law. My next guess would be a cousin of the Paaks–or like Annigje Haag, the fiancee or wife of a cousin. So I will keep searching in that “outer layer” of family members.
That said, if you see any flaws in what I’ve determined so far, please let me know, and I will expand my search even more.
Now that it’s a new year, I want to keep my genealogy goals focused.
- Continue scanning of all photographs
- Organize the physical photos, documents, and heirlooms.
- Create a list of provenance for all heirlooms
- Bring my Ancestry tree up to date with all info I have
- Find and work on software for a tree that is just for my tree
- Continue trying to identify photographs
- Research gaps and brick walls
Pretty ambitious, I know. Some of my blog posts will just be updates on how I am doing on items 1-5, rather than the results of actual research. Be patient. You know how helpful you all are to me, and I appreciate it more than you will ever know. Thank you!!!
There’s nothing more frustrating than unknown photo’s…do you have a date for Lucy Kliphouse photo? The dress type feels similar to the unknown photo to me ( the top ) Love your goals and may add a few to mine 🙂
Lucy was born in 1863, so is at the high end of that age range. You are brilliant, Sharon, because I am sure this is a marriage photo because there is an identical one of her husband. (It seems that it was a custom for not only a couple’s photo, but a photo of bride and groom individually–I don’t have one of them together). They were married in 1886!! I know my goals are ambitious, and I am almost hear myself yakking about it in a year hahaha. But I don’t want to be tied to research when there is other work to be done, too, you know?
Thanks..brilliant thats really sweet, not sure that’s the right word, just an observation on the dress 🙂 but I agree with both Amy’s comments on the Paak sisters strong resemblance; and with asking the woman Amy’s talking about – the photo id lady who’s name slips my mind at the moment.
Ava Cohn! Yup, I need to get my ducks in a row and call on her! Of course, now that I know you have to be on a waiting list forevuh!
The Paak sisters all have such a strong resemblance, and the woman in the top photo does not share that resemblance. She doesn’t look 25 to me, but people looked a lot older then than they do today, so I am not sure. You know my recommendation on photo identification so I won’t harp on it! I will say that there is no harm in getting in her queue because I waited a year before she got to my photos, and there was no charge until she reached them and contacted me.
(I think there’s a typo on the date of Janna’s birth—1827, not 1927?)
Oops! Thanks, Amy. Gonna go run fix it!
They do have a strong resemblance. I feel as if their brother (not shown here but married to Lucy Kliphouse above) shares a resemblance with the sisters, but has a more elfin type look than they do.
I had no idea that I would have to wait that long to get in the queue for Ava. Oh man. Is she expensive? I would hate to have her get to me before I’m ready, but that’s a long time to wait. There will be quite a few I have, but it depends on the price–and the other facts I have to share with her. Organizing it all, you know?
I don’t know how she compares to others doing the same work, and I no longer recall exactly what I paid. I thought it was expensive, but worth it for what I got. She will give you an estimate if you write to her and explain what your objectives are. With thehe first photo I sent to her, she told me upfront that without more information, she couldn’t help me. When I sent her the second, she looked at a whole bunch of photos and studied my blog and my tree and did an amazing job of identifying not only the people in the group photo but some in the others I’d sent for comparison purposes. If I can find out what I paid, I will email you.
Thanks so much, Amy. I really appreciate it.
How old did you think the woman in the tintype is? Her face seems without wrinkles or shadows to me. Then I kept thinking maybe I was being influenced by the pink the photographer put on her cheeks!
You know I am terrible at this! I keep thinking of my daughter at 33 looking so much younger. She looks 40 to me! But I think that’s the clothing and expression!
Yes, and also I think the Paak sisters tend to look younger (for that time period) than some of the other women because they are very pretty in a girlish way.
I think you have the age of the subject (25ish) about right, and to my eye, she bears a resemblance to the other Paak sisters, but doesn’t match any of them exactly. My money is on a cousin.
Oh, that’s interesting. I was kind of veering toward that myself. I could see her being related to the Paaks, maybe because of the eyes. I will have to check out cousins more thoroughly!
Don’t think you can make a guess on the colour of her dress. It’s more a matter of intensity. Could be deep red, green anything. Tintype uses a flash so shininess is also a factor. In the image I have my t-shirt is black, the rest is grey, but velour so lighter than in real life. Have you tried contacting the Fashion museum in Bath? They may be able to pin down the date
Not black? Oh man. I hadn’t heard of the Fashion Museum. I will check it out. Thanks, Barb!