My last post was about the Bataille branch of the family from Etaples, France.
On 5 May 1836, Karel Mulder married Rose Melanie Bataille in Goes. It appeared that her family had immigrated to the Netherlands from France, but then it also seems that the Netherlands was part of the French empire at the time.
Since then I’ve gotten more information from my friend Adri. This is what he provided.
Rose’s father, Philippus Franciscus Bataille (Philippe Francois Marie), was born on January 28, 1772 at Wimille (near Boulogne in France). His parents were Pierre Philippe Bataille and Marie Nicole Austrebeth Fontaine. Philippus died on April 28, 1818 at Goes.
Philippus was married on November 28, 1802 at Waterdijk (Holland) to Rosalie Goduin, daughter of Jean Goduin and Marie Jeanne Oudaert. Rosalie was born in 1780 at Bevercamp (probably Belgium), died on December 7, 1802 at Waterdijk (Holland).
Then Philippus was married to a second wife on July 31, 1805 at Waterdijk (Holland). This wife was Rose’s mother, Melanie Regina Barthaux (Melanie Berthaudt), daughter of Adrien Joseph Bertaux and Marie Joseph Godart. Melanie was born on June 28, 1782 at Meenen (Belgium) and died on October 18, 1853 at Goes.
Here are the children of Philippus and Melanie–Rose and her siblings:
1 Caroline Ugenie Stephanie Bataille was born on May 2, 1806 at Hoek (Holland), died on December 10, 1878 at Goes.
2 Maria Joseph Bataille was born on October 11, 1807 at Hoek (Holland) , died on February 3, 1873 at Goes.
Maria was married on May 15, 1834 at Goes to Jan de Munck, son of Pieter de Munck and Martijna Sloover. Jan was born in 1803 at Goes, died on September 19, 1847 there.
3 Rose Melanie Bataille was born in 1809 at Etaples (France), died on July 10, 1887 at Goes.
Rose was married to Karel Mulder, son of Carel Mulder and Johanna Cornaaij. Karel was born on December 3, 1812 at Goes, died on January 3, 1870 there.
4 Pierre Philippe Bataille was born in 1812 at Outreau (France), see III.
5 Angelica Louise Bataille was born on November 17, 1813 at Goes, died on February 8, 1857 there.
Angelica was married on August 15, 1839 at Goes to Leonardus Johannes Theuns, son of Pieter Theuns and Helena Briens. Leonardus was born on September 11, 1813 at Kattendijke, died on November 22, 1867 at Goes.
Leonardus was married on July 2, 1857 at Goes (2) to Adriana Meulblok, daughter of Quinten Meulblok and Anna Elizabeth van Steveninck. Adriana was born on November 5, 1829 at Heinkenszand.
6 Catharina Johanna Bataille was born on May 28, 1817 at Goes, died on December 23, 1817 there.
Here is a little more information about Rose’s brother, Pierre:
Pierre Philippe Bataille, son of Philippus Franciscus Bataille (Philippe Francois Marie) (II) and Melanie Regina Barthaux (Melanie Berthaudt), was born in 1812 at Outreau (France), died on June 21, 1857 at Goes.
Pierre was married on November 22, 1849 at Goes to Victoria van Ranst, daughter of Adriana Francisca van Ranst. Victoria was born in 1824 at Doel (Belgium), died on July 9, 1868 at Goes.
Victoria was married on July 22, 1858 at Goes (2) to Jacobus van Buijsse, son of Frans van Buijsse and Aleida Groeneveld. Jacobus was born on February 21, 1815 at Goes, died on February 17, 1876 there. Jacobus was before married (1) to Maaijke van Brakel.
From the marriage of Pierre and Victoria:
Pierre Philippe Bataille was born on April 16, 1853 at Goes.
Here is the information that I wanted to know about Rose’s father.
In 1802, Philippe was an “employ de la douane”. This means that he was a customs officer. In 1805, he was listed similarly. In 1817, Philippe was a laborer.
His father, Pierre, was “sous Lieutenant a la Douanes.”
Look at how the French empire is all in darker green and includes the Netherlands (and therefore Belgium, too)
Now go back and look at the birth places of Rose and her siblings. Her older siblings were born in Holland, not France. So either the father has been assigned to various customs ports and moves around and is clearly French. Or the family is more Belgian (see Rose’s mother’s birth place), which would have been part of the Netherlands at that time. Or the family could have been the descendents of Huguenots.
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I love the historical political maps! For a split second you brought me right back t high school…European History class. 🙂
I’m glad you like history! Some people might not want to be reminded of that class ;). I had a good history teacher in high school, but the one weakness was that we really didn’t a lot of maps.
It’s fun to see you close in on your questions!
Thanks, WJ! I love the help I’ve been getting from blog readers. And Adri is such a gem.
I also often find that the more I know about family history topics, the more I want to know. It seems like it takes a certain amount of knowledge to know what information is missing.
That’s exactly what happens. At first a piece of information or a photograph doesn’t seem like much and then the more I check it out and then the more I learn, the more I see the vast amount of information I don’t have!
Wow!!!… fascinating and how wonderful to have Adri sharing his info. People like that are such a treasure. I have a few who’ve been absolutely wonderful in this way. 🙂 Happy New Year!!!
Catherine, I just saw I never responded to your comment–over a year ago! Yes, Adri has been such a treasure!
One of the children of Leonardus Johannes Theuns and Angelica Louise Bataille was Pieter Theuns. He was born at Goes on May 4, 1840. On March 22, 1866 he married at Goes to Johanna Klasina Kooman, daughter of Johannis Kooman and Johanna Helena de Goffouw. Johanna Klasina was born on September 30, 1838 at Oudelande. On October 18, 1866 their son Leendert Johannes Theuns was born at Goes.
Pieter Theuns was Roman-Catholic and Johanna Klasina Kooman was Calvinistical. At that time such mixed marriages were generally not accepted.
Pieter Theuns and Johanna Klasina Kooman emigrated in 1867 to Michigan. A Michigan librarian informed me years ago that the family indeed had arrived.
This is all I know about these distant family members.
Hubert, I have been reading your comments with great interest! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! So interesting that you are related to someone with the surname Bataille who might have been from or at least had a child in Goes. I had heard that mainly the Catholics and Protestants in Goes did not intermarry so this was fascinating to hear that someone defied the traditions. I wonder if that motivated them to move to Michigan. I also wonder if they raised their children as Calvinists or Catholics. I don’t know if you have read my post yet that explains this, but my mother’s family that is from Goes were all Calvinists, but my father’s uncle by marriage also came from a family from Goes, but they were Catholics. Are you from Zeeland yourself, if you don’t mind me asking?
I was born in a small village, Hoensbroek, in the Dutch province Limburg.
About 3/4 of my ancestors are from that province. My grandfather Theuns was born in the Dutch province Zeeland, at Vlissingen. His ancestors originate (about 1550) from the Belgian village Wuustwezel. My great grandmother was born at Sas van Gent, province Zeeland. Her ancestors came a century before from Belgian cities, just across the border. All my ancestors belonged to the Catholic religion.
Intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants rarily happened in the past. In such cases there sometimes would have been a contract, saying that boys should be raised as Protestants, but it was allowed the raise daughters as Catholics. Until recently the Catholic Church never accepted intermarriage, unless royal blood was involved.
As far as I can tell, my distant family from Goes was poor. I believe that both poverty and the intermarriage provoked their emigration to the promised land, USA.
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